![]() No, here and there we have clashed and for many times we have emerged victorious. You may want to look up the battles i listed above, they don't seem like a few crusades given the number of Kingdoms, Empires taking part in it, also the army sizes.Īlso how is that not true? Did the Ottomans roll lots of whites? Yes, the word ''rolling'' doesn't need to constitute annexation, it can be done via defeating your enemies on battlefields, neither does it mean that you need to entirely decimate the white race for that to be constituted an act of ''rolling''. You are using a reductive tone about a set of crusades that were initiated at the behest of the fucking Pope himself deeming them ''a few silly crusades''. You said in your original comment that you rolled whites for centuries, when that's just not true, it was only the balkan area. That's also not really what it's about tho. The Roman Empire was in a decline before the barbarians decided to invade, if I remember correctly. Ottoman Empire was successful, without a doubt. Ottoman empire was never able to conquer lands of western europe, no matter how many times they tried.Īfter reading your edit. Western powers were also busy destroying each other, Austria were the only ones who were seriously worried with the Ottomans. A few silly crusades here and there mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. Taking on western crusades is veeeeeeeery different than taking on western powers in their own lands and trying to beat them. Longevity of an empire also matters in terms of their success. Landmass also matters, as well as strategic important areas. Population of an ampire matters more, this is true. I never said it proved anything, just that it's one of the metrics of power. Just that it was never able to take on western powers and actually gain control of their lands. I said it was powerful, no way around that. If anything existing for over 650 years as an empire in one of the most contentious parts of the world is a success in and of itself. We did the same to the Balkans and to some extent Central Europe. Lastly it was a bunch of barbarians that also caused the collapse of Roman Empire, doesn't change the fact that they curbstomped them for centuries. I am sorry for bursting your bubble but Ottoman Empire was just strong as it often required the majority of European powers to muster forces to push back on them, which often failed until the early 18th century. Ottomans constantly took on western crusades, look up varna, nicopolis or first and second kosovo wars, preveze etc. It is ludicrous that you thought your link proved anything. On your own list, Roman Empire, arguably the strongest Empire that existed along with the Mongol Empire is scored below Iberian Union, or Empire of Brazil. It is unanimously agreed among historians that especially around the 16th and 17th centuries Ottoman Empire was the strongest empire of its time, possibly tying with Qinq. ![]() In 1987 they are a generation gap'.Landmass occupied aint a good metric. Perhaps a line from Robin Gibson's mini album review in Sounds, published in February 1987, is a fitting epitaph: 'In 1963, The Margin of Sanity would've been creating the generation gap. The recordings are (re)-mastered by none other than Mr. This retrospective on Screaming Apple contains all known recordings, including the mini LP, early demos and a rehearsal recorded just before they split, which offers a fascinating insight into the direction they were taking. Headline slots followed but momentum got lost and after only eight months of activity and fewer than twenty gigs, The Margin of Sanity disbanded. John Peel got behind it on his radio show and the UK national weekly music press started to take an interest. Their self-titled mini LP consisted of five original compositions and one cover, selling well enough to warrant a second pressing. Taking influence from mid-60s Pretty Things and the angry young THEM, The Margin of Sanity quickly picked up a following of disenchanted youths who had turned their backs on the sterile music of the 80s and who were instead discovering comps like Chocolate Soup for Diabetics, Nuggets and Pebbles.įronted by a lanky Keith Relf lookalike, propelled by a drummer raised on Keith Moon at his most frenzied, and backed by black-leather-clad, chelsea-booted guitar slingers, The Margin of Sanity certainly stuck out from the crowd. ![]() Sharing stages with soon-to-be-cult acts such as Spacemen 3, My Bloody Valentine and The Prisoners, they played at the speed of a runaway train on the brink of derailing, fuelled by youthful exuberance, adrenaline and cheap amphetamines. MONSTER TYME !!! Right before x-mas we offer you the holy grail of UK mid-eighties garage-punk!!!īlazing a brief trail through London's legendary lost music venues during the mid-80s, The Margin of Sanity were a tightly-wound coil of sexual frustration and pent-up rage.
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